TeganDowling

The WikiGnome who has your back

4/11/05You're very welcome. You will still need to define your colors on each page where you use them UNLESS you put the definitions in GroupHeader(s) or SiteHeader. Oh, also: If you go into PmWiki.WikiStyleColors and edit the page, you'll see at the top the whole list of definitions - so you can just copy the ones you want - the syntax is all worked out.

I just added "OurGroup" and moved the stuff over. You can look at OurGroup/HomePage in edit mode to see what I had to do. Changed the links for the images, and the links to the individual people's pages to show being links to OurGroup.TiffanyMorgan etc. instead of to Profiles/TiffanyMorgan etc. And on the corresponding Profiles pages, I have redirects. So for instance if you click on Profiles.TiffanyMorgan you'll see that you're automatically taken to OurGroup.TiffanyMorgan (where you'll see a little redirection explanation note at the top explaining how you got there). (If you ever want someone's Profile page not to redirect to their OurGroup page, click that little redirection explanation and you'll go back to the profile page, but in edit mode. There you can remove the redirection directive.)

By the way, on OurGroup/HomePage: If "Glass" is an art medium and not a last name, you might want to change that before the pages get created. Likewise "Work".

Looking good, Tiffany!

Tegan

04/11--Thank you for the color help! I was so excited when i popped on last night and it was colored! Now, say bluegrass--now that it is defined somewhere--do i have to still define it on another page? Just curious.
Now as for the Profiles, i do see your point, tho i dont want anyone contributing (other than you :)) who isnt in the group so point (1) may be a dead point , but for point (2) i do see the advantage--so i will work on this today and see if it cant be done by tonight--that way if there are questions we can take care of it at class :) Would i be renaming the page or?????

Thank you!

4/10/05Yep: you either use the hex code directly each time, or you define it first and then use its name.

Gallery is looking good.

I'm thinking about how your pages are organized. I think that for each member of your group whose work you are displaying here, you should create GroupMember.HomePage (TiffanyMorgan.HomePage, AmySalerno.HomePage, etc), and link to those from OurGroup.

Don't use the Profiles pages as the main pages for actual group members. Here's why:

1. Profiles can get created for everyone who participates in the website - when they sign their posts, their signature is a link to a potential Profile page, see Main.AllRecentChanges - so the Profiles won't be the same as Group members. I'm in there, for instance. ALSO, even more importantly:
2. As your members work on their own pages, if they want to create additional pages for themselves and their work, they'll naturally create them in whatever group their starting page is. So someone will create a page called "sketches" - and if they are starting in Profiles/TheirName, then they'll be creating Profiles/Sketches. That's the beginning of a mess. Way better to have them start out with MemberName/HomePage, then when they create MemberName/Sketches there's no confusion.

So prevent that kind of trouble by making a HomePage for each member right away. Move your stuff there. Leave your Profile page with mostly just a link to your own HomePage.

Then the OurGroup page is basically a table of contents, with links to the HomePages of the group members (and the stores - probably create Outlets/HomePage and a page for each store, too).

See? Want help?

Tegan

04/09 dont be silly-- you are not dense :) I sont explain things well in type so--:) and i had typed my last entry three times so i was a bit frustrated (Kept forgetting to save hehe).
But i am curious about the colors--do i have to define them somewhere? It seems they are not working on the photo gallery page ?-- I left the markup so you could see it--just let me know how to use the color styles page that was added :)
Thanks again!

Ah! The link you need is always there, wherever you are on the site - it's on the WikiBar, upper right corner of the screen - see, it says "view - edit - attach - print - history - mail - discuss - lock"

discuss is the one to use. If people are using it, you can keep track of the comments they add by clicking the Main.AllRecentComment link at the foot of the SideBar.

Sorry again for being so dense. Does that tell you what you wanted to know?

Tegan

04/08
ok i just did this, but here i go again--The tool is the FAQ, I would like there to be a comment box at the bottom of the page--The first night of class we did this to our profile, but i cannot find the directive or command or whatever to create the comment box again and lookin through the history of the page is no use as you cannot see it in edit view like you can with the recent changes link---how many recent changes can be housed there??
So comment box on FAQ to post to FAQ so i can answer the questions there--how do i do this?
Talk to you soon

4/7/05: Sorry Tiffany: I can't decipher what you mean.
"this is a great tool for the girls" - what is the tool?
"i would like a comment/question spot there too..." where?
"but I cannot find the directive for this" - the directive for what?

You found (:comment text:) where? What did you want it to do? What it does is hide text. View this in edit mode to see:

I worked on your additions to the FAQ - probably made things a little confusing by trying to cover all of the situations, but please see if you can understand what I added. The thing that really needed changing was to be sure to include the WikiGroup in the text that you use to make a link. ESPECIALLY, always, when you make a new link on the SideBar.

Speaking of adding WikiGroups: Do you think you'll have multiple pages for the Womyn Pages? If so, we should be moving that from Main.WomynPages to WomynPages.HomePages, in the same way I changed Animal Rescue from a page to a group.

Thank you so much Tegan--this is very helpful! And yes, now i will use the FAQ page :) Actually this is a great tool for the girls, and i would like a comment/question spot there too so they can ask the questions there and we can keep track of that, but i cannot find the directive for this ??? I found but it doesnt appear to do anything--If you could let me know what the command is or add it to the PM wiki it would be helpful ! Thanks again!

04/07/05:
I had to move your discussion forum from the home page to a new wikigroup - see DiscussionForum.HomePage (I tried to show the forum form on the Main/HomePage, but that won't work- sorry). Each forum entry anyone makes becomes a new page in the wikigroup - you just can't have your Main/WikiGroup clogged up with forum posts!

Viewing older changes - go to the page, click the "history" link in the WikiBar. Is that what you were after? When there, you can choose "view changes to markup" to see the code changes.

Wikistylecolors: I'll go add that page for you.

04/07 Also--the wikistylecolors page isnt set up--and since i am not familiar witht the code--how would i create more colors??

04/06 SO how would i view all changes?? FOr instance i would like to see the edit page for when you made one of my pictures smaller but i dont see any changes previos 03/28??
Thank you!
04/06--I actually have this on my home computer-thanks for the information tho and now i know to upload from home always!
I thnk i may have some questions later tonight so i will talk to you then! Thanks again!

http://www.Irfanview.us
Irfanview is a wonderful multimedia-display software developed by Irfan Skiljan, originally of Bosnia, now living in Austria.

Version 1.7 was released 1 June 1996
Current version 3.95 was released 26 Oct 2004

The software is free for personal and educational use, and the author accepts donations via a paypal account.
This product is a wonderful, shining example of what the web can do.

The Tucows download page for v3.95 is http://www.tucows.com/preview/194967.html; there's a link to plugins for it at the foot of the page.

To use this to resize an image file,

1. open Irvanview,
2. use Irfanview to find and open your image file, then
3. select "Resize/Resample" from the "Image" menu.
4. Make sure the "Preserve aspect ratio" option is selected (box to check about midway down the left-hand side), then
5. experiment with selecting the new size via pixel count or percentage of the original (again, on the left-hand side).

(When you have a result you like, you might want to use File |Save As, rather than a straight Save. Be sure to notice where the new version is saved-to - it may not automatically save where you opened from.)

2005/04/05 Hello Tegan--dont forget to email me the photo link so that i can get the pictures cropped and set to go up :) Thank you!!
Tiffany!

2005-03-31 (from Tegan) Hi, Tiffany:

See what you think of this

"Somebody has to do something, and it is just incredibly pathetic it
has to be us." -- Jerry Garcia

How weird is it, that the markup doesn't work if there's any text on the line above the text that is to be centered?!

Well. Anyway:

• I fixed up the image links on your Profile page and Sarah's.
  • If you want hers to be full size, you can remove the markup
    %width=100% from in front of it - that's not 100%, it's 100 pixels, so it's actually limiting the size.
    • The complication with this image it the fact that it was originally uploaded to the Main wikigroup, but you're using it on a page in the Profiles wikigroup. The way you show such an image (view her page in edit mode to see) is not use the "Attach:" markup at all, but enter the full address of the image.
  • Your own image file didn't work for you because you gave your originally uploaded image file a filename with a space in it:
    "Tiffany Morgan". (Don't do that.) I re-uploaded it as "TiffanyMorgan.jpeg" and matched the "Attach" markup to that and now it works out fine.

Regarding your emailed questions, which I pasted below, here:

1. Site Index: OK. The Main.SiteIndex page itself is very important to you or whoever manages the site - it will let you see what-all is on the site: what WikiGroups and what pages in the principal WikiGroups. But no, you don't need to have a link to it on the Main.SideBar, because you're right that most visitors to the site wouldn't have a use for it, and some of what it shows is stuff that you probably wouldn't want visitors to see, anyhow. SO yes, having a single link to it, on the Admin.HomePage, is really all you will need.

2. WikiGroups:
   • You're on track with the idea that you create a WikiGroup for anything that you're likely to have multiple pages devoted to. That's great.
   • I'm just concerned about you "getting" the way to create links that take the WikiGroup structure into account. When you link from a page in one WikiGroup to a page in another WikiGroup, the link you create has to include the WikiGroup's name as well as the Page's name, in this manner: [[WikiGroupName.PageName]] OR [[WikiGroupName/PageName]] OR [[WikiGroupName/PageName | LinkThatShows]].

You could just make it a habit to include the WikiGroupName in every link you create.

I actually brought the issue of the Site Index up earlier to illustrate a point about WikiGroups. And my point applies here, on a page in the Profiles group, just as it does there on the Home Page of the Admin group: If you simply create a link [[Site Index]], the wiki will assume you mean to link to a page called Site Index on this WikiGroup.

So to the wiki, creating [[Site Index]] on this page here is the same as creating [[Profiles.Site Index]], either of which creates this link: Site Index ?. That's not any good, see?

Instead, you need to point to [[Main.Site Index]] to create this Main.Site Index OR [[Main/Site Index]] to create Site Index.

Does that help, at all?

1. Creating the WikiGroups: This is actually the same principle as creating new pages, since no WikiGroup exists until there's a page in it (sounds awfully mystical, doesn't it?).

You create a WikiGroup by creating a link to a page in the WikiGroup and then adding content to the linked-to page. So: Yes, you should have WikiGroups called AnimalRescue and ShoppingPages (but probably not OurInterests). The first two will have links, on the Main.SideBar, to their Home Pages, like this: [[AnimalRescue.HomePage | Animal Rescue]] and [[ShoppingPages.HomePage | Shopping]]. The "Our Interests" phrase is just a header for a section on the Main.SideBar (Since you can't have WikiGroups within WikiGroups, you just organize links to the HomePages of the WikiGroups for various topics on that section of the sidebar).

If you edit the Main.SideBar and create these suggested links there, then save your changes, you'll see the new links with the dashed underline and the little '?' mark. Click one of those and add some text, and you've created the Home Page of the new WikiGroup.

If you still feel the need by then, I'll meet with you before the lesson on Monday - no problem.

Tegan

2005-03-31 from Tiffany:

1. Site Index: I went in and changed the site index back to see what would happen--and it seems to take me to the same page no matter what page i access it from
   • I guess the site index in the tool bar i would rather have for the PMWiki as i dont see how the site index is useful as it is to someone viewing my page--can you explain how it would be if you think it is??
   • Also i have the site index page for myself within my admin page-which again is where i think it is more useful--what are your thouhgts?
2. Now regarding Groups in general: i was confused as to how i create my personal groups--say for
   • rescue associations that i would like to group or for
   • shopping pages that i would like to group--Or an even better example would be how i group the links under my sidebar
   • "our interests" as a group titled our interests--

1. and i placed a sorry by my sara's name cuz i think i mis-spelled her last name--hehe great friend huh?? HA!
2. Maybe i could come earlier or stay later this monday so we could chat about this if you think that would be easiest? Or if we can email this week\weekend that is great :)
3. I like the rest of what you have done--Anyway, i will be poking at it some more so please feel free to check out what i have done and comment on that as well as the questions above!

2005-03-30: Hi. I did a couple more little things:

• I changed the syntax of a link you had on the Admin.HomePage.
  • Before: [[Site Index]],
  • After: [[Main/Site Index]]
  • The Before version didn't work because the Site Index page is a page in the Main WikiGroup, where-as the page Admin.HomePage, where the link is located, is the home page of the Admin wikigroup. If you don't specify the WikiGroup to look in, the wiki looks in the same group as the page where the link is located (in this case Admin). So the wiki was looking for a page called Site Index in the Admin group, and there ain't no such a animal. See?
• I changed the syntax of the very last link on the Main.SideBar
  • Before: [[Admin.HomePage]]
  • After: '-[[Admin/HomePage |Admin]]-'
  • This way the text is smaller, and only shows Admin instead of the full path.
• On your Main.HomePage, I corrected the syntax of the size controls for the attached image, so now the image shows up.
• In Main.OurGroup ?, I added a table of contents, and I changed the headers Friends and Shops Where... to level two.
• I added an instruction to your Main.GroupHeader to break apart the words that form a page name when they appear in the header. Take a look at the OurGroup ? page, and see that the Group Header now shows "Our Group" instead of "OurGroup".

Tegan

2005-03-22: Hi, Tiffany! I tweaked your Main.Side Bar a bit - things I did and some thoughts:

1. I gave the top section of your sidebar a title - just your site's name
2. I added a link to the site's homepage to that section (just because it's easy to forget that clicking on the site header will take you home)
3. I changed the structure of the link to the coming events page -
   [[Coming Soon |Coming Soon!]], because putting punctuation in an actual page name is just a bad idea, but you can show all the punctuation that you like - and this is the link format that uses the "go and then show" principle.
4. I added a new section called Other Groups to the sidebar, and added a link to a page you could create called Links - so if you wanted to link to MARN, for instance, a page like that would be a good place for it.

I also made a couple of changes to the Main.Our Group ? page

1. I added a title to the page
2. I added a link to your own profile
3. I removed the "(sorry)" from inside of the link to Sara Schuenaman's name, since that would have created a link to a profile page named "Sara Schuenaman Sorry" - which I'm pretty sure wasn't what you wanted.
   • I don't know what you did mean to do there, though; let me know if I can help with it.
4. I made the last two names into links to Profile pages as well, and standardized the capitalization of the last one.

Feel free to post questions here, or email me at tdowling@emergencydigital.com

Happy Wiki-ing!

Tegan